@chuckapick: well Phoenix is a psychic force. Give proff of immunity to them and you would have one. Read 845 reviews from the world's largest community for readers. I won't write again all legion feats. Also, I’m pretty sure the normal Phoenix Force has a lot of the same powers as legion. 616 is not just the entire earth it's the entire galaxy, so if his warping didn't affect space, then it didn't effect the whole of 616, unless there's another feet you're referring to. The Phoenix would just respawn, it's name more than implies that, without the actual instances of her coming back as fast and often as she pleases. Now that Franklin isn’t considered a mutant anymore does that mean David Haller is? How powerful is white Phoenix compared to Dormammu or Galactus? 1 comment. Not sure where beyond universal is coming from. I should have do this before... lol, After this you will understand why i think that legion can beat wpotc. @naknoemo00: You were using LT as an exemple, that wpotc is a multiversal threat like LT (something like that), to me it's a comparison. Created by his mind, you know what that mean ? Necron is the one behind that feat, and he had 1 years prep and need interface allignment: So in front of this Wpotc doesnt have any multiversal feats, she's universal at best. His able to create another personality, a stronger one, why not. But like i said legion is a bit like the "saitama" of marvel, his here for break the code, like deadpool in a sense. Legion Phoenix Review: Is It Safe? There is no missmatch. Quicksilver called it that in avengers academy #29. @chuckapick: Prove immunity or stop derailing your own thread. You have to know that every wiki overstimate character. He was extremely powerful but he wasn’t dark Phoenix powerful. report. You are another wpotc fanboy who doesn't even know, who is legion, what are his feats and what he can do. @andromeda101: Thank you, I will look at it. People compare them about their feats when it's not a good thing here. Though if there were to begin with, I’d think they would have already helped them win the war against Annihilation. In fairness, legion probably has a chance at beating normal Phoenix l, but not white Phoenix. Why? Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World - Kindle edition by Cole, Myke. Stop putting words in my mouth, I never claimed Pheonix force is at LT level, I have never mention her versus MMJ or pre-MM, if you're so freaking insecure about loosing the argument, that's your problem, if you want to have a debate then keep it at a mature level, or there is no point in debating further. I conclude you are in total denial when you wrote such b*llsh*t like Legion more powerful than Franklin or Matthew than PR Beyonder ;(( I'm shocking by so much stupidities! cosmic/solar system, Skyfather/galaxy, Abstract/universal, Multiversal? Wpotc is featless and here best feat are on level of legion. cosmic/solar system, Skyfather/galaxy, Abstract/universal, Multiversal? Follow Battle For Midway S3- 6v6 organized by Battle for Midway on Toornament and get all the latest scores, stats and results. For Phoenix, it's unfortunately unfair. In that case, she handle the univers with her hand, magneto didn't show something like this. Introducing Legion Phoenix Fat Burner. Legion can't win against Phoenix who is the SOURCE of his psionic powers, immunes to HoM Wanda Chaos Wave a reality warping feat far far far away from what Legion has ever done. If she is in the same tier, then i think Legion wins in a close match. Unfortunately, despite this rioting success story, the Phoenix did have a couple of shortcomings. The Dark Phoenix Saga durated 2 years and we saw Phoenix having 3 real battles(Firelord/Magneto/X-Men/I don't count Proteus she attacked him one time nor her time as Black Queen). Btw, there is a lot of scan with it, if you want i can post them. It's like comparing Death who has not done so much on the comics to Legion who we saw a lot of skills. Build thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2574749 You didn't provide ANY proof, you are just saying things that you probably saw on wiki or other wpotc thread. The mutant who has over 1000 personalities and different powersets VS The strongest version of the pheonix. His son with Rachel Summers, Hyperstorm who is more powerful than himself, has been beaten by Galactus! We don't know... And like i said legion is like the "saitama" of marvel, there for break the rules, crazy character with crazy power. I think he would never give the lose to phoenix. Now you can keep argumenting with speculation, or going away from wiki and posting scans of her multiversal feats. Not sure but that's the way I remembered it. lol. Like i said, wptoc dosn't have a lot of feats. But it's Dr strange, with prep he was able to beat more powerful character than him. It was like they needed to make a strong woman but didn't know how to add her. Of course she beats Thanos with IG, it's just Thanos wank claiming otherwise, Thanos with IG is universal, that's why the living tribunal could simply just neglect it, and just like the living tribunal, the pheonix force is a true multiversal being, one of the very few. Legion Athletics Phoenix Results Review and Expected Effects. Legion feat are on the level of wpotc, you don't understand that if we go with speculation, it work with legion too. You should read the whole thread. And we know his limit, he can't manipulate fire (per example). TOAA being the most powerful entity has been stipuled by stan lee, LT etc., so even if he doens't have a lot of feat except resurrecting some people, we know cause writer himself told it and entity like LT. (I post it again, cause i deleted my thread by misstake). Topic about legion and wpotc are useless i guess. He put the 616 into a box (and that was all the 616 univers, idk why LordOfAllhumans tell the opposite, but it was) and much more... @chuckapick: He said he didn't warp the entire universe because Rachel didn't get affected until her psyche went to the earth. Bump I’m actually curious about this one. ^^. I’m guessing that means it has the powers of telepathy, meaning it can shutdown a person with just a thought. @chuckapick: Maybe at base level for a run of the mill green Phoenix like Rachel Summers. We didn't see nothing about TOAA, but TOAA is the representation of stan lee (if i remember well) so we know that they have nothing above him. I can apply the same with the One Above All: we don't see nothing from him but we all know he's more powerful than the rest of the Marvelverse, right? My opinion is Marvel staffs don't want to use the PF not because they can't! Also, I’m pretty sure normal Phoenix force Rachel went toe to toe with Galactis once and I don’t think Legion could ever go against galactis and hope to come back alive. You accused people here to be fanboyish to defend your point of view when even it's not the case!The biggest fanboyish I saw here, it's you! It seem that you two don't realy know legion. So, my own conclusion is that you're in complete denial about the fact Phoenix is more powerful than your Legion and you just can't accept it. Lima, 1 mar (EFE).- El delantero argentino Enzo Gutiérrez afirmó este lunes que llega con "mucha expectativa e ilusión" al Universitario de Deportes, equipo con el que este año disputará la Liga 1 peruana y la Copa Libertadores. Legion stock 616 univers in a box, and released it. I think matthew malloy would be on a other league, he would be on beyonder league (imo). @chuckapick: I’m pretty sure @LordOfAllHumans already explained he didn’t warp all of 616 only the earth while wpotc warped the entire universe. @chuckapick:I looked that up and apparently the goblin force only absorbed a fraction of the phoenix force but not the whole phoenix force. When legion took an "attack" (wasn't a real attack) which was supposed to kill him, he disappeared on the no time. And just saying, just because legion has similar feats doesn't mean he's as powerful as wpotc. I forgot to mention, the combined efforts of Emma Frost, Jeen, The stepford cuckoos, and Quintin Quire weren’t enough to beat the Phoenix and I’m talking about the normal Phoenix. Moira reality wraping altered capacity of some mutant even after David released the univers. Like i said i respect him, but when it's specially when it comes to jean grey that i prefer not listen him. 100% Upvoted. I have to add something more: the feats are good for comparisons I agree about that but it's not the only things to take in count, common sense is the second thing to take in count here. @naknoemo00: now, you are talking about TOAA... LT himself told it was "god", Stand Lee stipuled that it was like the biblical god. Phoenix has more than one power and can also manipulate every atom in the universe all at once. You know nothing about legion :/ Dark phoenix has been affected by legion reality. To people who could think i'm a legion fan boy and won't admit legion loose, it's not about legion loosing or not. : If you were to categorize them into the power tiers, where would you put Both White Phoenix, Galactus, Dormammu and Legion? Finally, we can talk the same langage lol. David holding the Age of X reality in the hand and then erasing her. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. VS Rules:Both are bloodlusted.Both ar It's like comparing Death who has not done so much on the comics to Legion who we saw a lot of skills. But dark phoenix vs legion (full control) would turn into a mega stomp. And i don't realy get, "all the psionic energies of the multiverse" that doesn't even mean, she has multiversal powers lol... Do you even read what you write ? Extinction level threat meaning it can destroy worlds with not much effort, if you don't remember dark phoenix destroyed an entire planet and it's inhabitants without thinking about it. If that is actually the case then I will admit so and call it a stalemate. And also, LordOfAllHumans made a pretty good explanation of why he didn’t warp the whole universe. Compared to that Legion is NOTHING because he's barely UNIVERSAL! And even with a host (wpotc) there is absolutly no feats or proof or even a single word who could make us thinks that she has any multiversal powers. For me a mutant, or any living being in the universe, can't become more powerful than a cosmic being or abstract if he/she is not a nexus/having access to a powerful artefact like cosmic cube or the IG or a force like the PF. Their bottle claims to be “clinically effective” and it asserts itself as an “intense” way to lose fat. Any one of them can probably solo. That what i was saying to lordofhumans, wpotc power are more speculation than "real feat", except handle the univers, she did nothing who can prove that she is at the level her supporter try to make us believe. But apparently people are still debating on which force is stronger so i'll take back my statement about the goblin force being weaker than the phoenix. But like i said it's speculation. Time sink, legion personality, playing with x-men. Jean Grey was the closest thing the Phoenix Force had to a true earthly Avatar or physical embodiment and further that the Phoenix Force empowered Jean with life in a kind of mutualistic relationship or psychic bond. And now people give easy win to wpotc. Listen, we are on comic vine, in GENERAL (Hard for entity or character like TOAA or thanos with HOTU for example) we go by feats. Galactus himself stated that she can tap into a source of energy with unlimited potential. But of what they showed (phoenix and galactus), they are pretty equal in term of feat. You dense... it's not about the TOAA being god, you completely missed my point, it's the fact that TOAA is established god is just my point, just as TOAA is established as god, the Pheonix Force is established as a true multiversal being, THATS MY POINT. It's a big stomp and mismatch. We know that Death is most powerful than Legion not because of the feats we saw from her but the scale of her powers and her cosmic nature(the representation of mortality in universe). The pheonix force IS multiversal, that's not a speculation, that's a fact, and you have to try be reasonable here, we've seen the pheonix force pretty much play games with reality itself, like you saw in Jean Grey ressurection, and it did it just to get attention from Jean Grey, now that was pretty much at a small scale planetary level reality warping, now this being is a true multiversal being like the living tribunal, so reality warping on a universal scale is childsplay, Jean Grey using the white pheonix powers for the first time being completely confused on what to do, even had to take advice from other hosts, toyed with a universe in her hand, standing outside time itself toying and replacing future and past, that's warping time, space and reality on a universal scale IN HER PALMS, meaning she stood outside the space/time continuum, that's a multiversal feat in itself, that was a Jean Grey using her white pheonix powers for the first time. I wonder if there are any Arakko mutants that will put a hamper on this. I know legion is an extremely powerful mutant, he’s probably in the top 5 most powerful mutants. How can Legion’s telepathy defend against that. After that, well, Jean has manifested Phoenix effect in New X-Men but not completely! Ohh playing with reality, what an incredible feat... Not like Legion already played with reality... Not like a lot of marvel character already played with reality... You guys need to stop comparing LT with wpotc, wpotc isn't on same league as LT, wpotc is a kitten compared to LT, just look at the wpotc vs LT thread i'm not the only who think that. If he can’t block the Phoenix’s telepathy, then a total shutdown inevitable. Monarch is another one, but the quantum string thing kind of holds back his capability, since he needs to pull the right one to get the desired effect. Today, we are looking at one product in particular: Legion Phoenix Fat Burner.It comes from Legion, a great company, founded by Mike Matthews, who had as his mission the idea of bringing something unique to the supplement market. His psi shields aren’t powerful enough to block the phoenix. There is more, and i can provide scan for every feats here. I also remember him putting the 616 universe in a box. See reviews, photos, directions, phone numbers and more for The Legion locations in Phoenix, AZ. How ? I agree that feats don't mean everything, but in a sense, their are there to show the power of a character, and feats are the most utilisated argument in a debat, cause it's not speculation, it's real, we can rate the power more easily. I want more from her as the true Phoenix avatar and not the sh*t it becomes after Jean's death. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Also, the goblin force doesn’t come close to the Phoenix force. You are the one talking about posting feats, when you still didn't provided any scan showing wpotc feat above, legion feats. There is a lot of factor when it come to galactus i agree. You don't understand, it's not only white phoenix who is featless it's the phoenix force too. Has Legion any feat that puts him on this league? While it is not sponsored by Lucasfilm Ltd., it … Reality 15104 was a baby universe, only 150 years old as opposed to 616 which have been said to be billions of years old.". I provided a lot of scan, and i can provide more, if you need. He have the power of omniscience (it's useless in a fight, but just to show how much his power are stupiditly strong and diversified). @chuckapick: ok ,well it was nice debating with you. You really think that the Phoenix can't do all the stuffs the others psionics do when they use its own force? Also legion when he had full control over his powers in the 90s would not have beaten dark Phoenix. When they have still some people arguing in favor to wpotc on a fight beyonder vs wpotc ... You know that the forum is full of wpotc "fan boy", look some topic with wpotc you will see by yourself ^^, (I don't say you are a fan boy, haha, just saying that, it's hard to know if people are realy objective, or they just say "wpotc" when they see "white phoenix of the crown VS" even if they don't know the other character.). @naknoemo00: My god, wpotc fan boy are realy the worst. :). Also I respect lordofallhumans, but he think that wpotc beat PR molecule man. You could see that he did the same feats than Wpotc. Or, she can decide to drain/retake his life force because Phoenix is the sum of all life! Pretty simple like that for the nexus of ALL PSIONIC ENERGY in the Omniverse! Having power from other univers doesn't mean that you can destroy them (for example). When legion was playing with time, watchers themselve was afraid and came in earth for advice X-Men. The answer is NO or NEVER is better. Blablablabla, being unique doesn't make you multiversal lol, except comics about phoenix, did you ever read comics ? It's pretty clear that Jean Grey as White Phoenix of the Crown is superior to Legion. But for the moment i don't remember any of those feats you are stalking about her being a multiversal threat. That's why I'm angry about their last stories which involved PF it's complely garbage! I think Legion takes it over Dark Phoenix Jean though. Like I said, Galactus said that she has a greater power to tap into, which is why she can outlast Galactus. yeah i know, but in case a character didn't show a lot of feats, we take his most incredibly feats + the common sense (i agree). And phoenix force has been shattered a lot of time. It is the nexus of all psionic energy which does, has, and ever will exist in all realities of the O… On a topic: "Wpotc vs SS strange", that was close and don't realy see a winner at the end... and on anoter topic: "Legion vs SS Strange", people had gived a easy win to legion. i don't know, in term of pure power, wpotc outclass him. Is Mag more powerful than Jean as the WPoTC? PHOENIX FORCE! Casual. There is nothing like this with wpotc, she has lack of feat and nobody ever said she was equal to LT or that kind of feats. Death ? share. Jean as Phoenix has always been restricted. White pheonix is ALL pheonix form and host feats, there is only one pheonix and white pheonix is THAT pheonix force. If all he has to do is raise a finger, please know that as a telepath all she has to do is think. And with this, we can clearly saw that Legion feats are above Wpotc feats. That overrated phoenix is featless, now you can proclame on every message that she's a multiversal threat and it's a missmatch, but everyone know it's false and you are just ridiculous cause you still didn't provided any scan or any proof, you are just using speculation exactly like someone i will not quote on that thread. X-Men Forever(Earth-161)Home to Cookies & Milk(Earth-9047)X-Men and New Mutants attacked by Elder Gods from Limbo(Earth-10349)Age of X(Earth-11326)Home to Matthew Malloy(Earth-14923)Age of Xavier(Earth-77995)Marvel Riot Age of Apocalypse(Earth-95120)Kree took over Earth(Earth-99315)X-Factor Forever(Earth-TRN237)X-Men: Grand Design(Earth-TRN686) X-Men: Evolution(Earth-11052)Legion … 2. Find 61 listings related to The Legion in Phoenix on YP.com. I think he don't care about here telepathy or time manipulation. And still no scan... devouring planet is not a multiversal feat, and for the: "or the MULTIVERSE could be in trouble", Legion have a feat close to this, i already post the scan: "ALL REALITY". He erased himself from the existence... Maybe he could just do this with wptoc. These last years we saw a lot about him in development of personalities and powerset. I know that she is incredibly powerfull, but in my point of view, legion is stupidity strong, it's like a "saitama" of marvel, 1000 differents powerset + 200 omega powerset, they can do what they want with him. it's even a frightening character, so much power in the hand of someone as crazy than him... ^^. Month 1 . Nothing you provived confirms Phoenix Force can play at a multi-versal level, it's at best unlimited universal powers. Unlike most other fat burners that work in the same basic way, this product contains no caffeine as the manufacturer’s research suggests that “most people prefer to get their caffeine from other sources, such as coffee or pre-workout drinks or both”. white phoenix of the crown ie basically jean is one with the phoenix force a power so great it even impressed pre retcon beyonder the most powerful comic character ever was floored and blown away by it and jean also stood next to lt as a peer white phoenix is at the center of the multiverse choosing which reality gets to stay. Psychic power of legion are insane as fuck. Some mutant were stronger, and some had different powerset. Legion is not even close to Eternity/Death/Galactus, right? And she is absolutly not second to him. At least that is how I understand his abilities. And since white Phoenix of the crown is extremely more powerful than the normal Phoenix Force, legion has no chance. already a topic. All the other avatars demonstrated more feats in action during AVX for example. The phoenix force is on another level though, I mean it’s not called an extinction level threat for nothing. Matthew Malloy the level of PR Beyonder? At the time of this writing, I’m currently in my 3rd month of cutting (you can check out my progress update videos on my YouTube channel here).. Anyways, I didn’t start taking Legion Phoenix … @chuckapick: And just saying, you should probably listen to LordOfAllHumans. Un podcast enfocado en discutir cualquier suceso, título, y personalidad relevante a los videojuegos, con los particulares puntos de vista de cada pa... Escucha todos los podcast, conferencias, radios online gratis en tu iphone, android, windows phone y pc. @chuckapick: thanks! David about moira: "A monster with the power to juggle worlds like colored balls". When Legion on legion quest wasn't even looking at a whole X-Men team (composed of jean grey, tornado and some other) who was attacking him. I was well aware of Legion long before this, my knowledge to him is not on the level as the Pheonix force, but as I am aware the legion doesn't have multiversal feats. Make profit while watching your favourite CS GO matches yeah a lot of personality have similar power, but i think make something exaggerated like 200 omega power is a way for the author to show how powerfull his. Granted, she was caught by surprise and she was in a weakened state after fixing the M'Kraan crystal. David Haller is the son of Professor Charles Xavier and Gabrielle Haller, who later became the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom. Each time you want to have the last word. The Phoenix Force told Xavier, that "Jean is only the house where I live." Another feats is that when he was supposed to die, he didn't. It's not because Legion is your favorite character and a powerful one that he can beat anyone! Date Time League Season; May 18, 2020: 8:00 pm: Siege PS4 Summer League First Division 2020: Siege I looked too, but of what i've seen people are going for goblin force in general, but yeah that closer than i tought, my bad. Marvel has statued Phoenix as the nexus of all psionic energy which does, has, and ever will exist in all realities of the Omniverse, the Guardian of Creation, and a de-facto guardian of the M'Kraan Crystal. @chuckapick: Dr Strange is not powerful than WPoTC a multiversal/omniversal abstract/force! I'm talking about the excalibur feat and it goes to magic and interface allignment. There is nothing like this with wpotc, she has lack of feat and nobody ever said she was equal to LT or that kind of feats. @chuckapick: Maybe because people are underestimating the phoenix and overestimating legion. You are probably from those who think she could beat beyonder or thanos with ig.... All feats done by the pheonix force IS wpotc feats, everything the pheonix force can do, the white pheonix can do, and she wasn't just holding a universe, she completely interacted with it inside her palms, interacted with it's timeline both future and past, changed and manipulated it just as she wanted to, created it, made it grow until it was "fix'd". Also, when i was talking about fan boy on this forum, it's because i've seen a fight wpotc vs legion on another forum, and they have gived the win to legion (realy close, like 55% vs 45%) but they gived it to legion. @elpendejo: that fight is far from a mismatch. hide. That was just an example cause Legion never fought someone as powerful than wpotc (like wpotc never fought anyone like legion). Ultimately, 5-HTP hasn’t shown to have any direct influences on fat loss (meaning it’s ineffective in Phoenix fat burner). (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/david-haler-as-legion-vs-franklin-richards-read-op-624345/). He had his own crossover and solo title+TV show. That all, she has no fighting feats. My Legion Phoenix Results in 2020. For round 2, is this White Phoenix Jean? David’s morals (when he’s trying to play nice) get him into trouble but when he lets loose, even accidentally, I think he’s marvels most powerful mutant. When Legion erased elder god and the bloodstone. The only thing, she has to do, is stopping his connection to the astral plane. Second point Legion is a psionic/psychic his powers come from the astral plane and guess who is the source of the astral plane? He has even more feats (created two reality etc...) And we are sure that, it was not his limit. As far as branding goes, the Legion Athletics Phoenix has a lot to be proud of. Actualy it's not even about Legion vs Wpotc, but the overrated bird, she's featless, but people make her one of the strongest character of marvel when she isn't even on the top 20... And following the logic of wpotc defender, Legion is called the "mutant god" by some person so let's put him on the level of TOAA and thanos HOT ? As for his level overall, I would say abstract/universal or somewhat a bit above seems fair enough given that even has a considerable amount of clear multiversal feats. That wasn't for you the "it's useless to keep arguing" that was for @lordofallhumans, cause actualy i'm just repeating what i already told him... Also that was nice debating with him ;). We didn't even need common sense for this comparaison, but i understand what you mean. @naknoemo00:You didn't understand what i said. But for the moment you're being ridiculous, you overestimate phoenix force, and you probably think wpotc could beat PR mm or even JMM... That show how your knowledge about comics are limited. Escucha y descarga gratis los episodios de Legión Gamer Podcast. I can apply the same with the One Above All: we don't see nothing from him but we all know he's more powerful than the rest of the Marvelverse, right? White pheonix still stomps after I provided confirmation that it is actually multiversal, even stated by a writer. "UNIVERSE" not multiverse. Don't think she's on another level. It all depends on that. @naknoemo00: You are ridiculously funny... https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/white-crown-of-the-phoenix-vs-thanos-with-infinity-8116/. Or you give him a status to be more powerful than the Marvel Universe Trinity? Зарабатывайте за просмотром своих любимых игр по КС ГО The Phoenix Force is an immortal, indestructible, and mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life. It's useless to keep arguing. There is only one multiversal feat with phoenix force, and that feat is out of context. Those feats mean nothing, all the feats you posted are ALL below universal scale, I've said post multiversal feats. But the Phoenix is in an entirely different level. That why i'm was a bit surprised of these people who are saying "Phoenix stomps". I saw you recent comments and I don't understand why you persist so much? As normal Phoenix he could win not Dark Phoenix and certainly not White Crown Phoenix! He totaly know the phoenix, but i think he don't really know legion, and don't care to know him, he will just give the win to wpotc. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/white-phoenix-of-the-crown-vs-molecule-man-595167/, PR molecule man would stomp wpotc. Seriously, what the f*ck is that? Did i said you mentionned MMJ or pre-MM ? The phoenix force has been beated by the goblin force in my memory. I saw more feats from Magneto than Phoenix any versions. Cause she doesn't have any fighting multiversal feats. But in general, people agree to say that they are realy close in term of power, so i guess we can say they are on the same level, cause there isn't a huge difference. I mean Emma Frost has similar feats to Charles but we all know that she's a weaker telepath overall than him. Rachel got messed up cause she was trying to make contact with X-men while sitting Shi'ar space. So, it's not exactly each time a new power. i don't know, some version aren't so strong. There is already no point of debating, cause you are just repeating yourself, still didn't provided any scan or link etc., "mature level" who's the one, who claim "missmatch on epic proportions, white pheonix murderstomps by erasing the universe legion is in." Legion can't win against Phoenix who is the SOURCE of his psionic powers, immunes to HoM Wanda Chaos Wave a reality warping feat far far far away from what Legion has ever done. Him not caring about those powers, he can't counter, is not a point at all.